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Post by faithplusnothing on May 15, 2009 20:11:01 GMT -5
Every time I post the gospel as found in 1 Cor 15 1-4 I get someone telling me I'm wrong and that the gospel is Roman 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. It does say if you do those things you will be saved. Are they both right?
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Post by cjw on May 24, 2009 16:40:27 GMT -5
It seems everyone wants a Bible verse that will stamp "saved" on them. If it were that simple, Jesus would have quoted it to His disciples. It's not about what saves us, but what pleases God that counts. And the scriptures have much to say about that, if we were only interested enough to spend the time...
Grace to you and all that is good!
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Post by brothermarkp on May 26, 2009 19:34:12 GMT -5
Both are right if one is trusting completely in the finished work of Christ on the cross for their Salvation and nothing else like some type of works , but also believing Christ was resurrected from the dead. At the moment one believes this, the Holy Spirit baptizes you into the Body of Christ.....not men in black or white suits.
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Post by seven on Mar 13, 2010 9:34:26 GMT -5
Romans 10:9 (King James Version) "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
Romans 10:9, is a passage of scripture that is frequently used by evangelical in their effort to bring someone to a saving-relationship with Jesus Christ.
Tt is used to present a “ two stepped-process” that is claimed to bring the person who is “lost” to a “saved” (justified) position. But thereby changing salvation from a single "event" to a “ two stepped-process” of salvation, that a person appropriates eternal salvation or justification by means of a series of two little steps or “things to do.”
Although each steps sounds suitable, only one has a basis in Scripture in regards to eternal salvation. Of course if one introduces the concept of self-effort (“works”) as part of the salvation event, then Gods grace is negated ( neutralize: make ineffective by counterbalancing the effect of) and salvation can not occur. (See Romans 11:6)
Romans 11:6 (King James Version) "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
This Bible verse is used by many to insist that either (1) a person must confess Christ publicly in order to be saved or (2) that a “truly” saved person will confess Christ publicly; and, if not, then he was never saved in the first place. This is how it is usually presented.
First a spiritually dead person can NOT make Christ “Lord,” or gain the approval of God by making that statement, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus"
Making Christ “Lord” is a process of sanctification (spiritual growth), which alone applies to the person who has already received the grace-gift of eternal life and it relates to discipleship and NOT the salvation event. Making Christ truly one’s Lord is a protracted and involved process that extends throughout the believer’s entire life.
We all know biblical belief or faith is NOT “mental assent.” It is placing one’s total and genuine trust or confidence in God incarnate—Jesus Christ (His death, and resurrection from the tomb. - Romans 4:25) There is upwards of 150 passages of Scripture that condition eternal salvation SOLELY UPON BELIEVING/FAITH (trusting in, relying on) Christ alone.
Although the translated words used in the Roman 10:9 passages are true to the original Greek manuscripts, there is one word that is translated into English, which is most often misunderstood by the English reader. It is the Greek word homologeo (from homou “together with” and lego “to say”), which is translated “CONFESS.” To the English reader this is most often understood as “PROFESS,” as in a audible profession. But it actually means “TO CONCEDE" as in a mental assent.
Nothing is quite as important as ''context'' when it comes to interpreting a specific passage of Scripture. And in this passage it is CRITICAL. The primary reason believers fail to understand this passage is because they fail to consider its ''context.''
After Paul’s salutation and thanksgiving/prayer; he takes up the need for righteousness, concluding that all mankind (Jews and Gentiles) are condemned (Romans 1—3:20).
He next explains how righteousness is imputed—showing justification by FAITH, illustrated, and enjoyed; and concluding that all can be made righteous (Romans 3:21—5:21).
After this Paul discusses sanctification as it relates to sin in principle, in practice, the law, and the Spirit (Romans 6:1—8:39). Then in Romans 9:1 through 11:36, Paul takes up the vindication of the righteousness of God, and within this immediate context is the passage under discussion.
Within this framework Paul’s concern is for "ISRAEL"—its past, present, and future. He expresses his deep sorrow for his ''JEWISH BRETHREN," who were blessed above all people and who should have been able to recognize Christ as their Messiah, but instead rejected Him.
And after some discussion of the sovereignty of God and Israel’s history, Paul in chapter 10 expresses his heart’s desire that ISRAEL would be saved. He points out that the JEWS are seeking to establish their own righteousness while rejecting God’s righteousness (Jesus Christ).
He even uses an Old Testament verse (Deuteronomy 30:14) in Romans 10:8 to illustrate that the true gospel message is close at hand, even in their “mouth” and in their “heart.”
Then in Romans 10:9 he presents the requirements necessary for the Jew to receive the righteousness of God. Specifically, he must ''confess'' with his mouth (mentally accede or assent to the deity of Jesus Christ—that is, accept as fact that Jesus Christ is God incarnate—for as a person “thinks” so he “speaks”) and believe in his heart (i.e., genuinely trust or place their sole confidence in) the gospel message pertaining to Christ (the person of Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection) in order to receive God’s grace-gift of righteousness.
Romans 10:9 is not speaking about a public PROFESSION of one’s faith in order to be saved or to prove one’s salvation. It is about the JEWS who have rejected the deity and mission of Jesus Christ to die for the sin of the world. It verifies that the only means whereby the JEW can be saved is to accept as fact the deity of Jesus Christ and his work on the cross and to trust only Him for personal salvation
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